Warning: Table './ssm_restore/watchdog' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: INSERT INTO watchdog (uid, type, message, variables, severity, link, location, referer, hostname, timestamp) VALUES (0, 'php', '%message in %file on line %line.', 'a:4:{s:6:\"%error\";s:12:\"user warning\";s:8:\"%message\";s:195:\"Table 'ssm_restore.cache_filter' doesn't exist\nquery: SELECT data, created, headers, expire, serialized FROM cache_filter WHERE cid = '1:50742314cf45fa83d5a7cc15c0dce4db'\";s:5:\"%file\";s:76:\"/home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/cache.inc\";s:5:\"%line\";i:25;}', 3, '', 'http://www.samsvojmajstor.com/portal/print/forums/gradjevinarstvo/izolacije/izolacija-tavanskog-poda-neki-novi-materijal?page=56', '', '162.158.78.194', 1684510885) in /home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 135

Warning: Table './ssm_restore/watchdog' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: INSERT INTO watchdog (uid, type, message, variables, severity, link, location, referer, hostname, timestamp) VALUES (0, 'php', '%message in %file on line %line.', 'a:4:{s:6:\"%error\";s:12:\"user warning\";s:8:\"%message\";s:1646:\"Table 'ssm_restore.cache_filter' doesn't exist\nquery: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = ' <p></p><p>Pozdrav! Hocu da izolujem tavanski pod po kome bi se gazilo i ostavljale poneke stvari. To je klasican tavan-betonska ploca iznad koje je direktno krov od drvenih greda i crepa. Cela konstrukcija se oslanja na dve masivne betonske grede u vidu cirilicnog slova \\"P\\". Krovna kostrukcija polazi direktno od poda tj. betoske ploce na cije se ivice i oslanja. Ploca nema nikakvih ispusta sa strane, vec je sve predvidjeno da se zatvori in /home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 135

Warning: Table './ssm_restore/watchdog' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: INSERT INTO watchdog (uid, type, message, variables, severity, link, location, referer, hostname, timestamp) VALUES (0, 'php', '%message in %file on line %line.', 'a:4:{s:6:\"%error\";s:12:\"user warning\";s:8:\"%message\";s:195:\"Table 'ssm_restore.cache_filter' doesn't exist\nquery: SELECT data, created, headers, expire, serialized FROM cache_filter WHERE cid = '1:b2066f5c67c735800a83de0f807ca60c'\";s:5:\"%file\";s:76:\"/home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/cache.inc\";s:5:\"%line\";i:25;}', 3, '', 'http://www.samsvojmajstor.com/portal/print/forums/gradjevinarstvo/izolacije/izolacija-tavanskog-poda-neki-novi-materijal?page=56', '', '162.158.78.194', 1684510885) in /home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 135

Warning: Table './ssm_restore/watchdog' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: INSERT INTO watchdog (uid, type, message, variables, severity, link, location, referer, hostname, timestamp) VALUES (0, 'php', '%message in %file on line %line.', 'a:4:{s:6:\"%error\";s:12:\"user warning\";s:8:\"%message\";s:1376:\"Table 'ssm_restore.cache_filter' doesn't exist\nquery: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = ' <p></p><p>Prvo treba da zatvoris gde god da ti prolazi sneg i kisa i to pod obavezno, a posle razmisljaj o izolaciji, Onda bi cak moga i taj novi materijal. OSB ploce hm... ne znam bas jer to nikada nece naleci uz plocu, plus nije dobar izolator. Mozda bi nesto malo poboljsao. Stiropor bolje ali neprakticno jer hoces da hodas po tavanu. Trece staklena vuna sa najlonom. najbolje resenje ali opet zbog hodanja i odlaganja stvari neprakticna jer je debela. Ako j in /home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 135

Warning: Table './ssm_restore/watchdog' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: INSERT INTO watchdog (uid, type, message, variables, severity, link, location, referer, hostname, timestamp) VALUES (0, 'php', '%message in %file on line %line.', 'a:4:{s:6:\"%error\";s:12:\"user warning\";s:8:\"%message\";s:195:\"Table 'ssm_restore.cache_filter' doesn't exist\nquery: SELECT data, created, headers, expire, serialized FROM cache_filter WHERE cid = '1:a63270fdc3fa4b063366d6ef7a7b7cbd'\";s:5:\"%file\";s:76:\"/home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/cache.inc\";s:5:\"%line\";i:25;}', 3, '', 'http://www.samsvojmajstor.com/portal/print/forums/gradjevinarstvo/izolacije/izolacija-tavanskog-poda-neki-novi-materijal?page=56', '', '162.158.78.194', 1684510885) in /home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 135

Warning: Table './ssm_restore/watchdog' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: INSERT INTO watchdog (uid, type, message, variables, severity, link, location, referer, hostname, timestamp) VALUES (0, 'php', '%message in %file on line %line.', 'a:4:{s:6:\"%error\";s:12:\"user warning\";s:8:\"%message\";s:1136:\"Table 'ssm_restore.cache_filter' doesn't exist\nquery: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = ' <p></p><p>Kao prvo, hvala ti sto se javljas, Whiteskyline. Potpuno si u pravu da otvore izmedju crepova treba zatvoriti, ali cime? Jos nisam krenuo u nabavku materijala, pa slobodno predlozi. Hidroizolaciju betonske ploce nemam, pa kad se otopi sneg koji je navejao na tavan, nakvasi se plafon, narocito oko odzaka. Izolacija plafona mi se mnogo vise svidja, nego poda tavana. Jeftino i brzo resenje koje sam video u farbari, jesu table stiropora (30x30cm, od pr in /home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 135

Warning: Table './ssm_restore/watchdog' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: INSERT INTO watchdog (uid, type, message, variables, severity, link, location, referer, hostname, timestamp) VALUES (0, 'php', '%message in %file on line %line.', 'a:4:{s:6:\"%error\";s:12:\"user warning\";s:8:\"%message\";s:195:\"Table 'ssm_restore.cache_filter' doesn't exist\nquery: SELECT data, created, headers, expire, serialized FROM cache_filter WHERE cid = '1:340e33780887f9646024038d908ead2c'\";s:5:\"%file\";s:76:\"/home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/cache.inc\";s:5:\"%line\";i:25;}', 3, '', 'http://www.samsvojmajstor.com/portal/print/forums/gradjevinarstvo/izolacije/izolacija-tavanskog-poda-neki-novi-materijal?page=56', '', '162.158.78.194', 1684510885) in /home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 135

Warning: Table './ssm_restore/watchdog' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: INSERT INTO watchdog (uid, type, message, variables, severity, link, location, referer, hostname, timestamp) VALUES (0, 'php', '%message in %file on line %line.', 'a:4:{s:6:\"%error\";s:12:\"user warning\";s:8:\"%message\";s:2148:\"Table 'ssm_restore.cache_filter' doesn't exist\nquery: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = ' <p></p><p>Pazi, sto se tice tog stiropora, dovoljno je, ali ako nemas nista na ploci, tj ne planiras u skorije vreme nadgradnju kuce bolje bi bilo da izolaciju stavis na plocu i tako zastitis celu kucu, ovako moras svaku sobu pojedinacno da radis sa stiroporom a procedura je sledeca: Lepk, stiropor, pa lepak, mrezica, glet i Poli kolor) Ako hoces da imas lep izgletovan plafon, a imas i dekorativni stiropor koji se samo lepi.(to sto ti zelis) U svakom slucaju in /home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 135

Warning: Table './ssm_restore/watchdog' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: INSERT INTO watchdog (uid, type, message, variables, severity, link, location, referer, hostname, timestamp) VALUES (0, 'php', '%message in %file on line %line.', 'a:4:{s:6:\"%error\";s:12:\"user warning\";s:8:\"%message\";s:195:\"Table 'ssm_restore.cache_filter' doesn't exist\nquery: SELECT data, created, headers, expire, serialized FROM cache_filter WHERE cid = '1:b949c126e122c8754f707ce2951192cb'\";s:5:\"%file\";s:76:\"/home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/cache.inc\";s:5:\"%line\";i:25;}', 3, '', 'http://www.samsvojmajstor.com/portal/print/forums/gradjevinarstvo/izolacije/izolacija-tavanskog-poda-neki-novi-materijal?page=56', '', '162.158.78.194', 1684510885) in /home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 135

Warning: Table './ssm_restore/watchdog' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: INSERT INTO watchdog (uid, type, message, variables, severity, link, location, referer, hostname, timestamp) VALUES (0, 'php', '%message in %file on line %line.', 'a:4:{s:6:\"%error\";s:12:\"user warning\";s:8:\"%message\";s:820:\"Table 'ssm_restore.cache_filter' doesn't exist\nquery: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = ' <p></p><p>Mislio sam na prostor koji postoji na mestu spajanja crepova - gde crep naleze na crep.Kroz te male otvore, kada pada sneg, posebno sa vetrom, navejava na tavan.Ne znam da li bilo koji crep moze da dihtuje toliko dobro na spojevima, da bi se ova pojava izbegla.Cime se to efikasno zatvara?Cuo sam da se lepe dobro ukrojene table stiropora sa unutrasnje strane ispod crepa, OSB ploca, ili izofleks folija.Ako imas neki predlog ti mi kazi?Oko finansija ne in /home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 135

Warning: Table './ssm_restore/watchdog' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: INSERT INTO watchdog (uid, type, message, variables, severity, link, location, referer, hostname, timestamp) VALUES (0, 'php', '%message in %file on line %line.', 'a:4:{s:6:\"%error\";s:12:\"user warning\";s:8:\"%message\";s:195:\"Table 'ssm_restore.cache_filter' doesn't exist\nquery: SELECT data, created, headers, expire, serialized FROM cache_filter WHERE cid = '1:6eb4f5d59d54cd003883dbf7fa8a84e7'\";s:5:\"%file\";s:76:\"/home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/cache.inc\";s:5:\"%line\";i:25;}', 3, '', 'http://www.samsvojmajstor.com/portal/print/forums/gradjevinarstvo/izolacije/izolacija-tavanskog-poda-neki-novi-materijal?page=56', '', '162.158.78.194', 1684510885) in /home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 135

Warning: Table './ssm_restore/watchdog' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: INSERT INTO watchdog (uid, type, message, variables, severity, link, location, referer, hostname, timestamp) VALUES (0, 'php', '%message in %file on line %line.', 'a:4:{s:6:\"%error\";s:12:\"user warning\";s:8:\"%message\";s:768:\"Table 'ssm_restore.cache_filter' doesn't exist\nquery: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = ' <p></p><p>Ako treba jednom a kvalitetno, u tom slučaju, crep dole, postaviti krovnu foliji (postoje paropropusne, a vodonepropusne), kontra letve , letve i crep i problem će biti trajno rešen.Kasnije se ispood folije može raditi termoizolacija, ako će se tavan koristiti za nešto drugo sem kao tavanski prostor.Inače crep dihtuje na spojevaima onako kako dihtujer i tu ne postoji sistem zaptivanja koji 100% štiti tavaski prostor od navejavanja snega ili in /home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 135

Warning: Table './ssm_restore/watchdog' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: INSERT INTO watchdog (uid, type, message, variables, severity, link, location, referer, hostname, timestamp) VALUES (0, 'php', '%message in %file on line %line.', 'a:4:{s:6:\"%error\";s:12:\"user warning\";s:8:\"%message\";s:195:\"Table 'ssm_restore.cache_filter' doesn't exist\nquery: SELECT data, created, headers, expire, serialized FROM cache_filter WHERE cid = '1:311635b68c9f5be8fad38f70a9f701f7'\";s:5:\"%file\";s:76:\"/home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/cache.inc\";s:5:\"%line\";i:25;}', 3, '', 'http://www.samsvojmajstor.com/portal/print/forums/gradjevinarstvo/izolacije/izolacija-tavanskog-poda-neki-novi-materijal?page=56', '', '162.158.78.194', 1684510885) in /home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 135

Warning: Table './ssm_restore/watchdog' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: INSERT INTO watchdog (uid, type, message, variables, severity, link, location, referer, hostname, timestamp) VALUES (0, 'php', '%message in %file on line %line.', 'a:4:{s:6:\"%error\";s:12:\"user warning\";s:8:\"%message\";s:541:\"Table 'ssm_restore.cache_filter' doesn't exist\nquery: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = ' <p></p><p>[marq=left]<span style=\\"color:blue\\"><span style=\\"font-weight:bold\\"><span style=\\"font-style:italic\\">Uradi sam, ali bez znanja i alata nema zanata!</span></span></span>[/marq]</p>\\n ', created = 1684510885, expire = 1684597285, headers = '', serialized = 0 WHERE in /home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 135

Warning: Table './ssm_restore/watchdog' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: INSERT INTO watchdog (uid, type, message, variables, severity, link, location, referer, hostname, timestamp) VALUES (0, 'php', '%message in %file on line %line.', 'a:4:{s:6:\"%error\";s:12:\"user warning\";s:8:\"%message\";s:195:\"Table 'ssm_restore.cache_filter' doesn't exist\nquery: SELECT data, created, headers, expire, serialized FROM cache_filter WHERE cid = '3:f0da8a98e1c6682beb3cd064732e4fc0'\";s:5:\"%file\";s:76:\"/home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/cache.inc\";s:5:\"%line\";i:25;}', 3, '', 'http://www.samsvojmajstor.com/portal/print/forums/gradjevinarstvo/izolacije/izolacija-tavanskog-poda-neki-novi-materijal?page=56', '', '162.158.78.194', 1684510885) in /home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 135

Warning: Table './ssm_restore/watchdog' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: INSERT INTO watchdog (uid, type, message, variables, severity, link, location, referer, hostname, timestamp) VALUES (0, 'php', '%message in %file on line %line.', 'a:4:{s:6:\"%error\";s:12:\"user warning\";s:8:\"%message\";s:409:\"Table 'ssm_restore.cache_filter' doesn't exist\nquery: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = ' <p></p><p>Без алата нема заната, a без знања ни најбољи алат неће помоћи..</p>\\n ', created = 1684510885, expire = 1684597285, headers = '', serialized = 0 WHERE cid = '3:f0da8a98e1c6682beb3cd064732e4fc0'\";s:5:\"%file\";s:76:\"/home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/cache.inc\";s:5:\"%line\" in /home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 135

Warning: Table './ssm_restore/watchdog' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: INSERT INTO watchdog (uid, type, message, variables, severity, link, location, referer, hostname, timestamp) VALUES (0, 'php', '%message in %file on line %line.', 'a:4:{s:6:\"%error\";s:12:\"user warning\";s:8:\"%message\";s:195:\"Table 'ssm_restore.cache_filter' doesn't exist\nquery: SELECT data, created, headers, expire, serialized FROM cache_filter WHERE cid = '1:e3063d2e0be17dc75bc230bc043073e0'\";s:5:\"%file\";s:76:\"/home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/cache.inc\";s:5:\"%line\";i:25;}', 3, '', 'http://www.samsvojmajstor.com/portal/print/forums/gradjevinarstvo/izolacije/izolacija-tavanskog-poda-neki-novi-materijal?page=56', '', '162.158.78.194', 1684510885) in /home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 135

Warning: Table './ssm_restore/watchdog' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: INSERT INTO watchdog (uid, type, message, variables, severity, link, location, referer, hostname, timestamp) VALUES (0, 'php', '%message in %file on line %line.', 'a:4:{s:6:\"%error\";s:12:\"user warning\";s:8:\"%message\";s:620:\"Table 'ssm_restore.cache_filter' doesn't exist\nquery: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = ' <p></p><p>A da li postoji mogucnost da se bez skidanaja crepa nesto uradi? Da li bih mogao da stavim onduline ispod crepa, nekako da ih prikacim na postojecu krovnu konstrukciju? Ovo hipoteticki pitam da li postoji takva mogucnost, ili bi to samo bilo nepotrebno navlacenje materjala, a bez nekih vecih rezultata i sa kontra efektom</p>\\n ', created = 1684510885, expire = 1684597285, headers = '', serialized = 0 WHERE in /home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 135

Warning: Table './ssm_restore/watchdog' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: INSERT INTO watchdog (uid, type, message, variables, severity, link, location, referer, hostname, timestamp) VALUES (0, 'php', '%message in %file on line %line.', 'a:4:{s:6:\"%error\";s:12:\"user warning\";s:8:\"%message\";s:195:\"Table 'ssm_restore.cache_filter' doesn't exist\nquery: SELECT data, created, headers, expire, serialized FROM cache_filter WHERE cid = '1:0e9de445fc00a3adae56e4d28cb348c1'\";s:5:\"%file\";s:76:\"/home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/cache.inc\";s:5:\"%line\";i:25;}', 3, '', 'http://www.samsvojmajstor.com/portal/print/forums/gradjevinarstvo/izolacije/izolacija-tavanskog-poda-neki-novi-materijal?page=56', '', '162.158.78.194', 1684510885) in /home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 135

Warning: Table './ssm_restore/watchdog' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: INSERT INTO watchdog (uid, type, message, variables, severity, link, location, referer, hostname, timestamp) VALUES (0, 'php', '%message in %file on line %line.', 'a:4:{s:6:\"%error\";s:12:\"user warning\";s:8:\"%message\";s:338:\"Table 'ssm_restore.cache_filter' doesn't exist\nquery: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = ' <p></p><p>Upravo tako, sve bi to bio uzaludan posao.</p>\\n ', created = 1684510885, expire = 1684597285, headers = '', serialized = 0 WHERE cid = '1:0e9de445fc00a3adae56e4d28cb348c1'\";s:5:\"%file\";s:76:\"/home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/cache.inc\";s:5:\"%line\";i:108;}', 3, '', 'http://www.samsvojmajstor.com/p in /home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 135

Warning: Table './ssm_restore/watchdog' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: INSERT INTO watchdog (uid, type, message, variables, severity, link, location, referer, hostname, timestamp) VALUES (0, 'php', '%message in %file on line %line.', 'a:4:{s:6:\"%error\";s:12:\"user warning\";s:8:\"%message\";s:195:\"Table 'ssm_restore.cache_filter' doesn't exist\nquery: SELECT data, created, headers, expire, serialized FROM cache_filter WHERE cid = '1:311635b68c9f5be8fad38f70a9f701f7'\";s:5:\"%file\";s:76:\"/home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/cache.inc\";s:5:\"%line\";i:25;}', 3, '', 'http://www.samsvojmajstor.com/portal/print/forums/gradjevinarstvo/izolacije/izolacija-tavanskog-poda-neki-novi-materijal?page=56', '', '162.158.78.194', 1684510885) in /home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 135

Warning: Table './ssm_restore/watchdog' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: INSERT INTO watchdog (uid, type, message, variables, severity, link, location, referer, hostname, timestamp) VALUES (0, 'php', '%message in %file on line %line.', 'a:4:{s:6:\"%error\";s:12:\"user warning\";s:8:\"%message\";s:541:\"Table 'ssm_restore.cache_filter' doesn't exist\nquery: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = ' <p></p><p>[marq=left]<span style=\\"color:blue\\"><span style=\\"font-weight:bold\\"><span style=\\"font-style:italic\\">Uradi sam, ali bez znanja i alata nema zanata!</span></span></span>[/marq]</p>\\n ', created = 1684510885, expire = 1684597285, headers = '', serialized = 0 WHERE in /home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 135

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Izolacija tavanskog poda-neki novi materijal

Submitted by edvard on Sun, 24/07/2011 - 11:44

Pozdrav! Hocu da izolujem tavanski pod po kome bi se gazilo i ostavljale poneke stvari. To je klasican tavan-betonska ploca iznad koje je direktno krov od drvenih greda i crepa. Cela konstrukcija se oslanja na dve masivne betonske grede u vidu cirilicnog slova "P". Krovna kostrukcija polazi direktno od poda tj. betoske ploce na cije se ivice i oslanja. Ploca nema nikakvih ispusta sa strane, vec je sve predvidjeno da se zatvori lamprerijom koja opasuje ceo krov. Nedavno su mojoj majci na stovarstu ponudili neki materijal pakovan na rolne, koji se samo razmota preko ploce i pokrije folijom/najlonom. Najlon treba izbusiti na nekoliko mesta, kako se ne bi vlaga zadrzavala. To mi bas i ne odgovara,jer izmedju crepova stalno furi, a kada je sneg sa jakim vetrom, onda napada i na sam tavan i tu pocne da se topi. Pomenuti materijal, nije kamena/staklena/mineralna vuna, vec nesto nalik jamboliji-ne bocka na dodir. Prodavac garantuje da je stavljanjem tog materijala razlika pre i posle neuporediva i leti i zimi. Zna li neko nesto o tome? Jednostavno je za "uradi sam", ne znam da li je dobro. Taj problem sa navejavanjem snega kroz crep bih morao da resim i vdeo sam resenje u razmotavanju Izoflex folije i pricvrscivanju za letvice. Neki jos za tu namenu koriste i stiropor, a kazu da je i lepo dobro OSB plocom. Hvala!

Mon, 25/07/2011 - 03:04
Prvo treba da zatvoris gde
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Prvo treba da zatvoris gde god da ti prolazi sneg i kisa i to pod obavezno, a posle razmisljaj o izolaciji, Onda bi cak moga i taj novi materijal. OSB ploce hm... ne znam bas jer to nikada nece naleci uz plocu, plus nije dobar izolator. Mozda bi nesto malo poboljsao. Stiropor bolje ali neprakticno jer hoces da hodas po tavanu. Trece staklena vuna sa najlonom. najbolje resenje ali opet zbog hodanja i odlaganja stvari neprakticna jer je debela. Ako je taj materijal tanak onda to i uzmi. Ali sta god da stavljas nista ti nevredi ako to ne zatvoris, kao prvo i osnovno kisne, natapa svaki materijal. I nemoj se zezati sa time jer moze da dune neki jaci vetar i kao imas otvor moze da ti podigne crep i da bude vise posla i novca nego sto treba. Jel imas hidroizolaciju te betonske ploce? Ili bilo sta na ploci? Jesi li razmisljao sa unutrasnje strane ploce tj. Plafon ta tu uradis izolaciju kao vecina? I tavan ti ostaje za hodanje i eventualno prisirenje prostora za zivljenje? Ako to nece biti u neko skorije vreme, onda ti je jeftinije da samo rasprostres materijal po ploci.

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Mon, 25/07/2011 - 19:01
Kao prvo, hvala ti sto se
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Kao prvo, hvala ti sto se javljas, Whiteskyline. Potpuno si u pravu da otvore izmedju crepova treba zatvoriti, ali cime? Jos nisam krenuo u nabavku materijala, pa slobodno predlozi. Hidroizolaciju betonske ploce nemam, pa kad se otopi sneg koji je navejao na tavan, nakvasi se plafon, narocito oko odzaka. Izolacija plafona mi se mnogo vise svidja, nego poda tavana. Jeftino i brzo resenje koje sam video u farbari, jesu table stiropora (30x30cm, od prilike), koje se samo zalepe na plafon-deluju dekorativno, imaju cak i lajsnu nanmenjenu za ivice. Da li je to dovoljno? Ako ne, slusam predlog. Poseban problem je plafon od kupatila, koji preko zime bukvalno potamni od vodene pare. Naravno, same prostorije se dosta hlade preko plafona, tj. neizolovanog tavana. Ako te ne mrzi da kucas, svaki predlog je koristan. To vazi za sve ucesnike.

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Mon, 25/07/2011 - 23:57
Pazi, sto se tice tog
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Pazi, sto se tice tog stiropora, dovoljno je, ali ako nemas nista na ploci, tj ne planiras u skorije vreme nadgradnju kuce bolje bi bilo da izolaciju stavis na plocu i tako zastitis celu kucu, ovako moras svaku sobu pojedinacno da radis sa stiroporom a procedura je sledeca: Lepk, stiropor, pa lepak, mrezica, glet i Poli kolor) Ako hoces da imas lep izgletovan plafon, a imas i dekorativni stiropor koji se samo lepi.(to sto ti zelis) U svakom slucaju puno posla i novca u prvoj varijanti a daa ne pominjem pomeranje namestaja i ciscenje.(u obe varijante) I opet nisi resio problem kondezacije, neko samo toplote. Plocu bi najbolje bilo uraditi prvo sa hidro izolacijom pa izolacijom vunom stiropor ili sta vec zelis. (ako imas para) naravno. Jer ce ti se u suprotnom uvek pojavljivati vlaga i crnilo zbog kondezacije. Cak i ako stavis stiropor u nutra. I onda si sve dzabe radio. Jer ploca kisne natapa se i na kraju ce proci vlaga i kroz taj stiropor to je na kraju krajeva voda. Cak i ako ti vise nebude kislo i natapalo se, bojim se da ce tu kondezacija uraditi svoje i opet crno i vlaga. Za crepove te ne razumem kako imaju otvor, jedino da mi malo bolje pojasnis, a najbolje da mi slikas pa da vidimo. Ajmo onda redosledom koji bi trebalo da se uradi sve to. Prvo zatvarnje tih otvora od kise i snega (primarno, neophodno, hitno), drugo hidroizolacija ploce (pozeljno), trece izolacija vunom ili cime zelis ali vuna je za sada najbolja plus najlon. Kada to uradis razlika ce biti neuporediva. E sada reci mi koliko imas sredstva (finansiski) i sta bi radio. A za taj stiropor obicno ljudi stavljaju koji imaju plocu a iznad nisu u mogucnosti da stavljaju izlocaju iz nekog razliga (neko zivi, nepristupacno je) i sl.

Nema na cemu, tu smo da se pomognemo. Pitaj slobodno sta te zanima, odgovoricu ti i uputiti te koliko znam.

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Tue, 26/07/2011 - 18:37
Mislio sam na prostor koji
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Mislio sam na prostor koji postoji na mestu spajanja crepova - gde crep naleze na crep.Kroz te male otvore, kada pada sneg, posebno sa vetrom, navejava na tavan.Ne znam da li bilo koji crep moze da dihtuje toliko dobro na spojevima, da bi se ova pojava izbegla.Cime se to efikasno zatvara?Cuo sam da se lepe dobro ukrojene table stiropora sa unutrasnje strane ispod crepa, OSB ploca, ili izofleks folija.Ako imas neki predlog ti mi kazi?Oko finansija nemam neku preciznu cifru, cilj mi je da to uradim jednom, ali kvalitetno

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Tue, 26/07/2011 - 19:23
Ako treba jednom a
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Ako treba jednom a kvalitetno, u tom slučaju, crep dole, postaviti krovnu foliji (postoje paropropusne, a vodonepropusne), kontra letve , letve i crep i problem će biti trajno rešen.Kasnije se ispood folije može raditi termoizolacija, ako će se tavan koristiti za nešto drugo sem kao tavanski prostor.Inače crep dihtuje na spojevaima onako kako dihtujer i tu ne postoji sistem zaptivanja koji 100% štiti tavaski prostor od navejavanja snega ili procurivanja kiše.

Без алата нема заната, a без знања ни најбољи алат неће помоћи..

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Tue, 26/07/2011 - 20:16
A da li postoji mogucnost da
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A da li postoji mogucnost da se bez skidanaja crepa nesto uradi? Da li bih mogao da stavim onduline ispod crepa, nekako da ih prikacim na postojecu krovnu konstrukciju? Ovo hipoteticki pitam da li postoji takva mogucnost, ili bi to samo bilo nepotrebno navlacenje materjala, a bez nekih vecih rezultata i sa kontra efektom

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Tue, 26/07/2011 - 23:55
Upravo tako, sve bi to bio
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Upravo tako, sve bi to bio uzaludan posao.

Без алата нема заната, a без знања ни најбољи алат неће помоћи..

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