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Warning: Table './ssm_restore/watchdog' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: INSERT INTO watchdog (uid, type, message, variables, severity, link, location, referer, hostname, timestamp) VALUES (0, 'php', '%message in %file on line %line.', 'a:4:{s:6:\"%error\";s:12:\"user warning\";s:8:\"%message\";s:1562:\"Table 'ssm_restore.cache_filter' doesn't exist\nquery: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = ' <p></p><p>Pozdrav svima. Novi sam član na forumu, mada odavno ga posećujem i čitam zanimljive teme. Svaka čast ljudima koji se trude da pomognu.</p>\\n<p>Tražio sam po forumu ali nisam našao da neko spominje da je to uradio pa me interesuje: <span style=\\"font-weight:bold\\">Da li mogu cevi za centralno grejanje da se provuku kroz buržire?</span> Mislim na klasične buržire k in /home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 135

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Warning: Table './ssm_restore/watchdog' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: INSERT INTO watchdog (uid, type, message, variables, severity, link, location, referer, hostname, timestamp) VALUES (0, 'php', '%message in %file on line %line.', 'a:4:{s:6:\"%error\";s:12:\"user warning\";s:8:\"%message\";s:1469:\"Table 'ssm_restore.cache_filter' doesn't exist\nquery: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = ' <p></p><p><div class=\\"bb-quote\\"><b>boki_ssm wrote:</b><blockquote class=\\"bb-quote-body\\">Tražio sam po forumu ali nisam našao da neko spominje da je to uradio pa me interesuje: <span style=\\"font-weight:bold\\">Da li mogu cevi za centralno grejanje da se provuku kroz buržire?</span> Mislim na klasične buržire in /home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 135

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Warning: Table './ssm_restore/watchdog' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: INSERT INTO watchdog (uid, type, message, variables, severity, link, location, referer, hostname, timestamp) VALUES (0, 'php', '%message in %file on line %line.', 'a:4:{s:6:\"%error\";s:12:\"user warning\";s:8:\"%message\";s:1129:\"Table 'ssm_restore.cache_filter' doesn't exist\nquery: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = ' <p></p><p>Koristio bih tu ove cevi što se trenutno koriste(aluplast što drže do 10bara- čini mi se da se tako zovu, ako grešim ispravi me) one su koliko toliko savitljive i naravno pri postavljanju bih pazio na pravac i ugao kod cevi. Sliku sam na brzinu skicirao pa su neki uglovi možda ispali suviše oštri.<br />\\nInače kolika je tolerancija buržira na toplotu? Da li bi se vremenom deformisali ili im je temperaturni prag izdržljivo in /home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 135

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Warning: Table './ssm_restore/watchdog' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: INSERT INTO watchdog (uid, type, message, variables, severity, link, location, referer, hostname, timestamp) VALUES (0, 'php', '%message in %file on line %line.', 'a:4:{s:6:\"%error\";s:12:\"user warning\";s:8:\"%message\";s:903:\"Table 'ssm_restore.cache_filter' doesn't exist\nquery: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = ' <p></p><p>Imaš gotove cevi sa izolacijom (oko 2mm tvrde plastike) za radijatorsko grejanje, ali nešto baš nisam siguran da su savitljive.<br />\\nNema deformacije bužira pod temperaturom. Samo je pitanje da li je to bolje (i jeftinije) rešenje od gotove cevi sa plastičnom izolacijom. Ja sam koristio izolaciju sa parnom branom i prelepio specijalnu traku za grejanje preko toga i učvrstio.<br />\\nPrvo pitanje je zašto hoće� in /home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 135

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Warning: Table './ssm_restore/watchdog' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: INSERT INTO watchdog (uid, type, message, variables, severity, link, location, referer, hostname, timestamp) VALUES (0, 'php', '%message in %file on line %line.', 'a:4:{s:6:\"%error\";s:12:\"user warning\";s:8:\"%message\";s:1489:\"Table 'ssm_restore.cache_filter' doesn't exist\nquery: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = ' <p></p><p>Hvala na odgovoru.<br />\\nZasada još ništa neću raditi, samo se unapred raspitujem da kasnije ne bih žalio. Nova kuća je u pitanju i treba da se uradi dosta drugih stvari.<br />\\n<span style=\\"font-weight:bold\\">\\"Prvo pitanje je zašto hoćeš da ti bude takvo rešenje.\\"</span> - Da su metalne cevi kvaliteta kao pre 30 godina odmah bi ih stavio in /home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 135

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Warning: Table './ssm_restore/watchdog' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: INSERT INTO watchdog (uid, type, message, variables, severity, link, location, referer, hostname, timestamp) VALUES (0, 'php', '%message in %file on line %line.', 'a:4:{s:6:\"%error\";s:12:\"user warning\";s:8:\"%message\";s:624:\"Table 'ssm_restore.cache_filter' doesn't exist\nquery: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = ' <p></p><p>Uzmi brate bakarne cevi sa pvc izolacijom,koje su za to i namenjene.Lako se savijaju i mogu da traju mnogo dugo.To sto si zamislio da ih menjas kasnije provlacenjem kroz buzir zaboravi.Kad ih budes montirao nemoj kao na crtezu da ides koso nego prati pravac zidova da bi znao gde se nalaze ako nesto budes busio u podu ,kasnije.</p>\\n ', created = 1684656848, expire = 1684743248, headers = '', serialized = 0 W in /home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 135

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Warning: Table './ssm_restore/watchdog' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: INSERT INTO watchdog (uid, type, message, variables, severity, link, location, referer, hostname, timestamp) VALUES (0, 'php', '%message in %file on line %line.', 'a:4:{s:6:\"%error\";s:12:\"user warning\";s:8:\"%message\";s:347:\"Table 'ssm_restore.cache_filter' doesn't exist\nquery: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = ' <p></p><p>Život je najbolja škola,samo je školarina skupa.</p>\\n ', created = 1684656848, expire = 1684743248, headers = '', serialized = 0 WHERE cid = '1:adfa3ec99b37820a71fc7704fc3cc55d'\";s:5:\"%file\";s:76:\"/home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/cache.inc\";s:5:\"%line\";i:108;}', 3, '', 'http://www.samsvojmajs in /home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 135

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Warning: Table './ssm_restore/watchdog' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: INSERT INTO watchdog (uid, type, message, variables, severity, link, location, referer, hostname, timestamp) VALUES (0, 'php', '%message in %file on line %line.', 'a:4:{s:6:\"%error\";s:12:\"user warning\";s:8:\"%message\";s:842:\"Table 'ssm_restore.cache_filter' doesn't exist\nquery: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = ' <p></p><p>Kao sto kaze sllobam, bakarne ili kvalitetne al-pex cevi. Lepo izolujes plamflex izolacijom i bog da te vidi, Obavezno idi pod pravim uglovim, 10cm od zidova i ako prolazis kroz otvore za vrata idi po sredini.<br />\\nTako kada uradis instalaciju, ima da nadzivi i sam objekat. Naravno, osim ako ne prosviras burgijom neku od cevi u podu <img src=\\"http://www.samsvojmajstor.com/portal/sites/all/modules/smileys/packs/Ro in /home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 135

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Warning: Table './ssm_restore/watchdog' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: INSERT INTO watchdog (uid, type, message, variables, severity, link, location, referer, hostname, timestamp) VALUES (0, 'php', '%message in %file on line %line.', 'a:4:{s:6:\"%error\";s:12:\"user warning\";s:8:\"%message\";s:606:\"Table 'ssm_restore.cache_filter' doesn't exist\nquery: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = ' <p></p><p>Ja sam izveo toplovodno grijanje u kuci sa giacoterm PEX crevama koji se kupuju zajedno sa berman crevom i mogu se izvlaciti i uvlaciti od radijatora do razvodne kutije. Proizvoditelj je Giacomini i mozes na sajtu videti i dodatne elemente. Takoge i vodovod mi je izragen od PEX creva isto do razvodnog ormara.</p>\\n ', created = 1684656848, expire = 1684743248, headers = '', serialized = 0 WHERE cid = &#0 in /home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 135

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Warning: Table './ssm_restore/watchdog' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: INSERT INTO watchdog (uid, type, message, variables, severity, link, location, referer, hostname, timestamp) VALUES (0, 'php', '%message in %file on line %line.', 'a:4:{s:6:\"%error\";s:12:\"user warning\";s:8:\"%message\";s:1287:\"Table 'ssm_restore.cache_filter' doesn't exist\nquery: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = ' <p></p><p>Pitanje za strucne. Sta se desava sa ovim cevima u podu s` obzirom da se postavljaju horizontalno? One nemaju pad kao cevi po zidu pa da vazduh bezi gore. Sta se desava ako vazduh ostane u podu, mozda?</p>\\n<p>I jos jedno pitanjce. Ima li neko neku slicicu kako izgleda razvod ovakvog sistema sa aluplast cevima u podu, kako se razvode, gde se postavlja pumpa, gde se postavlja ekspanziona posuda i tako te jos bitne stvarc in /home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 135

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Warning: Table './ssm_restore/watchdog' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: INSERT INTO watchdog (uid, type, message, variables, severity, link, location, referer, hostname, timestamp) VALUES (0, 'php', '%message in %file on line %line.', 'a:4:{s:6:\"%error\";s:12:\"user warning\";s:8:\"%message\";s:1925:\"Table 'ssm_restore.cache_filter' doesn't exist\nquery: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = ' <p></p><p><div class=\\"bb-quote\\"><b>zdjuka wrote:</b><blockquote class=\\"bb-quote-body\\">Pitanje za strucne. Sta se desava sa ovim cevima u podu s` obzirom da se postavljaju horizontalno? One nemaju pad kao cevi po zidu pa da vazduh bezi gore. Sta se desava ako vazduh ostane u podu, mozda?</blockquote></div></p>\\n&lt in /home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 135

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Cevi za centralno grejanje u podu - pitanje?

Submitted by boki_ssm on Thu, 08/04/2010 - 21:49

Pozdrav svima. Novi sam član na forumu, mada odavno ga posećujem i čitam zanimljive teme. Svaka čast ljudima koji se trude da pomognu.

Tražio sam po forumu ali nisam našao da neko spominje da je to uradio pa me interesuje: Da li mogu cevi za centralno grejanje da se provuku kroz buržire? Mislim na klasične buržire koji se koriste za kablove(ako postoje neki specijalni za tu namenu navedite naziv za njih ili proizvođača). Razmišljao sam da to postavim ako je moguće, radi kasnije lakše zamene cevi ukoliko ikada dođe do nekog problema. Naravno zbog same temperature cevi i njihovog grejanja ne znam da li bi klasični buržiri to izdržali ili bi se usled toplote deformisali. Cevi bi prolazile u podu, u nivou sa stirodurom.

Još jedna stvar koja me zanima je: Da li mogu cevi za centralno da se provedu pri instalaciji kroz zid(kao što sam nacrtao na slici) ili se to ne preporučuje?. Većina majstora ih sprovodi ispod praga vrata, ja bih to da izbegnem. Na slici žutim su obeležena vrata. A prostorije su: 1-soba, 2-soba, 3-kupatilo, 4-pretsoblje, 5-kuhinja, 6-dnevni boravak

Thu, 08/04/2010 - 22:11
Re: Cevi za centralno grejanje u podu - pitanje?
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boki_ssm wrote:
Tražio sam po forumu ali nisam našao da neko spominje da je to uradio pa me interesuje: Da li mogu cevi za centralno grejanje da se provuku kroz buržire? Mislim na klasične buržire koji se koriste za kablove(ako postoje neki specijalni za tu namenu navedite naziv za njih ili proizvođača). Razmišljao sam da to postavim ako je moguće, radi kasnije lakše zamene cevi ukoliko ikada dođe do nekog problema. Naravno zbog same temperature cevi i njihovog grejanja ne znam da li bi klasični buržiri to izdržali ili bi se usled toplote deformisali. Cevi bi prolazile u podu, u nivou sa stirodurom.

To za lakšu zamenu zaboravi. Smisao bužira u elektroinstalaciji je da se izvuće ili uvuče novi kabel koji je savitljiv, a cev to nije. Svakako ti sledi kopanje.
Da ne bi grejalo sa poda jedino da dobro izoluješ. Ja sam u kotlarnici uzeo neki od 13mm i oblepio termo trakom i mogu ti reći da je površina uvek hladna.

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Thu, 08/04/2010 - 22:23
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Koristio bih tu ove cevi što se trenutno koriste(aluplast što drže do 10bara- čini mi se da se tako zovu, ako grešim ispravi me) one su koliko toliko savitljive i naravno pri postavljanju bih pazio na pravac i ugao kod cevi. Sliku sam na brzinu skicirao pa su neki uglovi možda ispali suviše oštri.
Inače kolika je tolerancija buržira na toplotu? Da li bi se vremenom deformisali ili im je temperaturni prag izdržljivosti veći u odnosu na temeraturu vode u cevima kod centralnog grejanja?
Ovo pitam iz razloga što mi je ortak pričao kako je video da su u jednoj zgradi tako odradili cevi za centralno-sa buržirima. Samo nije znao da li su klasični ili neki specijalno za tu namenu.

PS: Da li si za izolaciju cevi koristio samo tu termo traku ili je još nešto potrebno?

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Fri, 09/04/2010 - 00:05
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Imaš gotove cevi sa izolacijom (oko 2mm tvrde plastike) za radijatorsko grejanje, ali nešto baš nisam siguran da su savitljive.
Nema deformacije bužira pod temperaturom. Samo je pitanje da li je to bolje (i jeftinije) rešenje od gotove cevi sa plastičnom izolacijom. Ja sam koristio izolaciju sa parnom branom i prelepio specijalnu traku za grejanje preko toga i učvrstio.
Prvo pitanje je zašto hoćeš da ti bude takvo rešenje. Koliko vidim, tamo imaš 2 kruga i to podjednake dužine. Cevi na zid i nema problema. Hoću reći, ne znam šta dobijaš takvom komplikacijom.

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Fri, 09/04/2010 - 13:49
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Hvala na odgovoru.
Zasada još ništa neću raditi, samo se unapred raspitujem da kasnije ne bih žalio. Nova kuća je u pitanju i treba da se uradi dosta drugih stvari.
"Prvo pitanje je zašto hoćeš da ti bude takvo rešenje." - Da su metalne cevi kvaliteta kao pre 30 godina odmah bi ih stavio na zid. Ove metalne cevi što su trenutno u prodaji su nekvalitetne i ne bih da ih stavljam na zid. Nije problem i da idu po zidu pa posle da stavim gipsane lajsne itd... da ih zamaskiram, ali mi je ovo da idu ispod poda samim tim nekako urednije rešenje. Buržir bih stavio čisto iz razloga što će mi najveći broj cevi proći kroz kuhinju i kupatilo pa sam hteo da ih iskoristim kao neku vrstu podnog grejanja, samim tim materijal i ovih drugih aluplast cevi na tržištu kod nas je upitan pa u slučaju nekog problema bih lako mogao izvršiti zamenu bez dizanja poda.
Čuo sam da je i tim aluplast cevima kada idu ispod košuljice potrebno ostaviti malo prostora(par milimetara) jer se pri grejanju šire - da li je to tačno?(samim tim mislim da bi im buržir to omogućio)

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Fri, 09/04/2010 - 19:46
Re: Cevi za centralno grejanje u podu - pitanje?
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Uzmi brate bakarne cevi sa pvc izolacijom,koje su za to i namenjene.Lako se savijaju i mogu da traju mnogo dugo.To sto si zamislio da ih menjas kasnije provlacenjem kroz buzir zaboravi.Kad ih budes montirao nemoj kao na crtezu da ides koso nego prati pravac zidova da bi znao gde se nalaze ako nesto budes busio u podu ,kasnije.

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Sun, 11/04/2010 - 00:29
Re: Cevi za centralno grejanje u podu - pitanje?
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Kao sto kaze sllobam, bakarne ili kvalitetne al-pex cevi. Lepo izolujes plamflex izolacijom i bog da te vidi, Obavezno idi pod pravim uglovim, 10cm od zidova i ako prolazis kroz otvore za vrata idi po sredini.
Tako kada uradis instalaciju, ima da nadzivi i sam objekat. Naravno, osim ako ne prosviras burgijom neku od cevi u podu Smile

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Thu, 10/06/2010 - 00:42
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Ja sam izveo toplovodno grijanje u kuci sa giacoterm PEX crevama koji se kupuju zajedno sa berman crevom i mogu se izvlaciti i uvlaciti od radijatora do razvodne kutije. Proizvoditelj je Giacomini i mozes na sajtu videti i dodatne elemente. Takoge i vodovod mi je izragen od PEX creva isto do razvodnog ormara.

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Fri, 16/03/2012 - 15:46
Pitanje za strucne. Sta se
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Pitanje za strucne. Sta se desava sa ovim cevima u podu s` obzirom da se postavljaju horizontalno? One nemaju pad kao cevi po zidu pa da vazduh bezi gore. Sta se desava ako vazduh ostane u podu, mozda?

I jos jedno pitanjce. Ima li neko neku slicicu kako izgleda razvod ovakvog sistema sa aluplast cevima u podu, kako se razvode, gde se postavlja pumpa, gde se postavlja ekspanziona posuda i tako te jos bitne stvarcice? Trazio sam po netu ali nisam uspeo pronaci. Imam knjigu centralnog grejanja iz 1984 god u njoj ima dosta sema ovog tipa ali sa cevima po zidu. Ako neko poseduje neku semu razvoda dobro bi dosla da se vidi gde se sta postavlja. mozda je pitanje laicko, ali nismo svi strucni za sve Smile

Recimo neki vertikalni/horizontalni presek kuce.

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Thu, 22/03/2012 - 10:13
opet naslov
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zdjuka wrote:
Pitanje za strucne. Sta se desava sa ovim cevima u podu s` obzirom da se postavljaju horizontalno? One nemaju pad kao cevi po zidu pa da vazduh bezi gore. Sta se desava ako vazduh ostane u podu, mozda?

Ništa se ne dešava. Zbog brzine vode u cijevi zrak putuje zajedno s vodom i izlazi na odzrakama koje su postavljene na najvišišim mjestima instalacije (vrh brijega svake sekcije ili na samim radijatorima)

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I jos jedno pitanjce. Ima li neko neku slicicu kako izgleda razvod ovakvog sistema sa aluplast cevima u podu, kako se razvode, gde se postavlja pumpa, gde se postavlja ekspanziona posuda i tako te jos bitne stvarcice? Trazio sam po netu ali nisam uspeo pronaci. Imam knjigu centralnog grejanja iz 1984 god u njoj ima dosta sema ovog tipa ali sa cevima po zidu. Ako neko poseduje neku semu razvoda dobro bi dosla da se vidi gde se sta postavlja. mozda je pitanje laicko, ali nismo svi strucni za sve Smile

Recimo neki vertikalni/horizontalni presek kuce.

To imaš na stranicama proizvođača cijevi i njihovim tehničkim uputstvima.

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Thu, 22/03/2012 - 10:15
OFF! Da mi je skužit logiku
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OFF!
Da mi je skužit logiku ovih Quote tagova, spasio bi se. Jedan put jedan izgled drugi put drugi, treći put treći. Ovo još nisam vidio.

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Thu, 22/03/2012 - 20:39
Au pa sta sam onda trazio, ja
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Au pa sta sam onda trazio, ja potrazio za cevi aluplex i nisam uspeo a ko jos pravi ovako nesto? Da skocim na sajt.

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Thu, 22/03/2012 - 22:07
Alupex se i traži. Viega,
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Alupex se i traži. Viega, Herz,Pipelife itd...
Ima stotine videa na Youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ct51XBLMz8 [21]

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