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Warning: Table './ssm_restore/watchdog' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: INSERT INTO watchdog (uid, type, message, variables, severity, link, location, referer, hostname, timestamp) VALUES (0, 'php', '%message in %file on line %line.', 'a:4:{s:6:\"%error\";s:12:\"user warning\";s:8:\"%message\";s:1707:\"Table 'ssm_restore.cache_filter' doesn't exist\nquery: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = ' <p></p><p>Pozdrav Svima<br />\\nCitao sam dosta o ovome na ovom portalu, mislim da je problem jer je prelazni period lozenja...<br />\\nal ipak bih voleo da cujem iskusne!!!<br />\\ntemp vode u kotlu odrzavam oko 70C, podesio sam na 65 jer ga on protera oko 70 do 73, pa pada i tako opet,<br />\\nsto bih rekao da je okej...<br />\\nDimnjak mi je zidan ciglom u kuci ( ne napolju ) izmalteris in /home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 135

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Warning: Table './ssm_restore/watchdog' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: INSERT INTO watchdog (uid, type, message, variables, severity, link, location, referer, hostname, timestamp) VALUES (0, 'php', '%message in %file on line %line.', 'a:4:{s:6:\"%error\";s:12:\"user warning\";s:8:\"%message\";s:1273:\"Table 'ssm_restore.cache_filter' doesn't exist\nquery: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = ' <p></p><p>Pozdrav,<br />\\nznaci kondezacija i smola ti se javlja samo u dimnjaku? Ako je tako, to najvise zavisi od goreva i samog odzaka. Posto je FK kotao sa prinudnom promajom opet ne bi trebalo toliko da stvara smole. Zavisi sta lozis. Ako su sirova drva i ugalj, kondezacija hoce da se stvara u dimnjaku.<br />\\nSto se tice mesnog ventila, moras sam pronaci poziciju koja ti najvise odgovara. Ako u kotlu imas od 70-75...a u in in /home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 135

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Warning: Table './ssm_restore/watchdog' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: INSERT INTO watchdog (uid, type, message, variables, severity, link, location, referer, hostname, timestamp) VALUES (0, 'php', '%message in %file on line %line.', 'a:4:{s:6:\"%error\";s:12:\"user warning\";s:8:\"%message\";s:1862:\"Table 'ssm_restore.cache_filter' doesn't exist\nquery: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = ' <p></p><p>Uzrok svake kondenzacije, pa i ove, je hladjenje gasa kada dolazi do prelaska iz gasovitog agregatnog stanja u tecno agregatno stanje. Ovo i ovako smo ucili davno, jos u osnovnoj skoli, zar ne?<br />\\nZnaci na mestu gde pocinje da stvara kondenzat dolazi do naglog hladjenja dima. Iz tih razloga, ponavljam uvek kao papagaj da temperatura dimnih gasova na vrhu dimnjaka kada se loze drva mora da bude iznad 185 stepeni C. Taj preduslov s in /home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 135

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Warning: Table './ssm_restore/watchdog' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: INSERT INTO watchdog (uid, type, message, variables, severity, link, location, referer, hostname, timestamp) VALUES (0, 'php', '%message in %file on line %line.', 'a:4:{s:6:\"%error\";s:12:\"user warning\";s:8:\"%message\";s:342:\"Table 'ssm_restore.cache_filter' doesn't exist\nquery: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = ' <p></p><p>Nisam dovoljno bogat da kupujem jeftine stvari</p>\\n ', created = 1684514718, expire = 1684601118, headers = '', serialized = 0 WHERE cid = '3:979c1eb897bfebc791fefddfb55f2547'\";s:5:\"%file\";s:76:\"/home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/cache.inc\";s:5:\"%line\";i:108;}', 3, '', 'http://www.samsvojmajstor.c in /home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 135

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Warning: Table './ssm_restore/watchdog' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: INSERT INTO watchdog (uid, type, message, variables, severity, link, location, referer, hostname, timestamp) VALUES (0, 'php', '%message in %file on line %line.', 'a:4:{s:6:\"%error\";s:12:\"user warning\";s:8:\"%message\";s:1363:\"Table 'ssm_restore.cache_filter' doesn't exist\nquery: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = ' <p></p><p>Slazem se Astrea sa tobom. Svi znamo sta je problem kod kondezovanja kotla i dimnjaka. Ali ako idemo na toliko visoku temperaturu dimnih gasova, onda se ne slaze to sa pricom od jedog naseg clana sa foruma. A to je stepen iskoriscenja. Svi realnop pokusavaju da snize temperaturu dimnih gasova bas zbog toga. Evo vidis situacija kod mene. Meni temperatura gasova na dimnjaci ne prelazi 120C pa nemam kondezacije, ni u kotlu ni u dimnjaku. U ovom slucaj in /home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 135

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Warning: Table './ssm_restore/watchdog' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: INSERT INTO watchdog (uid, type, message, variables, severity, link, location, referer, hostname, timestamp) VALUES (0, 'php', '%message in %file on line %line.', 'a:4:{s:6:\"%error\";s:12:\"user warning\";s:8:\"%message\";s:1569:\"Table 'ssm_restore.cache_filter' doesn't exist\nquery: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = ' <p></p><p>Nema to veze, mada neki proizvodjaci savetuju da se ne vadi skroz pepeo iz kotla, nego da ostane jedno 1cm. U svakom slucaju, nije to uzrok kondezacije. Eh sada, sto se tice kondezacije, ne znam u kojoj se meri javlja...pokusavam kroz predhodne postove da utvrdim. Smola koja se javlja na zidovima peci je da kazemo normalna pojava ali zavisi u kojoj meri. To moze da se resi samo visokotemperaturnim rezimom rada. Tj da se kotao gura na 80C. Posledic in /home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 135

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Puno VODE i KATRANA (smole) @ Radijator FK 33

Submitted by daviddzone on Tue, 26/11/2013 - 02:10

Pozdrav Svima
Citao sam dosta o ovome na ovom portalu, mislim da je problem jer je prelazni period lozenja...
al ipak bih voleo da cujem iskusne!!!
temp vode u kotlu odrzavam oko 70C, podesio sam na 65 jer ga on protera oko 70 do 73, pa pada i tako opet,
sto bih rekao da je okej...
Dimnjak mi je zidan ciglom u kuci ( ne napolju ) izmalterisan spolja i cak iznutra tako da unutra je precnik Fi 230
( zalivao sam malter oko cevuljage )
ne bih rekao da je dimnjak... i imam kapu betonsku, al ima lepo lufta gore za dim
PRVO mi se pojavio kondez na spoju cunka i kotla
( duzina te cevi je metar do dimnjaka, a Fi 200 ) to sam resio oblogom mineralne vune.
NEGO kada otvorim spoljni otvor za ciscenje ljljne ona crna voda oko 2l a katran vadim spaklom kao kolache...
pa reko dal to tako treba u prelaznom periodu ili....
BTW jos nesto, mis ventil mi je VRG 140 (4-kraki mešni venti)
i ima kao 3 crte, sve ispod te trece crte radijatori skoro hladni,i temp. vode u kotlu buja...
znaci jedino u tom 3 podejku da kazem da mogu malo da variram, dal je to tako treba...

Pomoc bi mi dobro dosla i koji Termostat sobni odgovara mom kotlu
( btw pumpa ja preko automatike na 3 brzini, grejem spratnu kucu )l

Tue, 26/11/2013 - 08:03
Pozdrav, znaci kondezacija i
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Pozdrav,
znaci kondezacija i smola ti se javlja samo u dimnjaku? Ako je tako, to najvise zavisi od goreva i samog odzaka. Posto je FK kotao sa prinudnom promajom opet ne bi trebalo toliko da stvara smole. Zavisi sta lozis. Ako su sirova drva i ugalj, kondezacija hoce da se stvara u dimnjaku.
Sto se tice mesnog ventila, moras sam pronaci poziciju koja ti najvise odgovara. Ako u kotlu imas od 70-75...a u instalaciji ti je dovoljno npr 50, nadji poziciju na mesnom i zabelezi je.
Sto se tice sobnog termostata, ako ti je stari tip automatike kotla (mala automatika bez sonde dimnih gasova) potreban ti je sobni termostat tipa NC (normal close) Do duse svi noviji termostati imaju tri kontakta pa biras. Ako je novija automatika onda ide na radne kontakte termostata. Do duse bilo koji digitalni termostat BEZ tajmera. Moze i bezicna verzija takozvana Q3 RF. On nema tajmerski mod samo temperaturni + -, sto ti je i potrebno za ovaj kotao

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Tue, 26/11/2013 - 08:19
Kondenzacija i uzroci
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Uzrok svake kondenzacije, pa i ove, je hladjenje gasa kada dolazi do prelaska iz gasovitog agregatnog stanja u tecno agregatno stanje. Ovo i ovako smo ucili davno, jos u osnovnoj skoli, zar ne?
Znaci na mestu gde pocinje da stvara kondenzat dolazi do naglog hladjenja dima. Iz tih razloga, ponavljam uvek kao papagaj da temperatura dimnih gasova na vrhu dimnjaka kada se loze drva mora da bude iznad 185 stepeni C. Taj preduslov se obezbedjuje koriscenjem vlagootpornih vatrostalnih materijala, izolacijom dimovodnih kanala - cunkova i dimnjaka, kontinuiranim lozenjem i koriscenjem suvog ogreva. Da li sve ove uslove, kumulativno, imamo i mozemo li da postignemo u praksi? Odmah da kazemo - retko kad.
Ono sto sigurno mozemo je da imamo pravilno napravljen i izolovan dimnjak i da imamo suvo gorivo.
To sto si rekao da ti je "...dimnjak izmalterisan spolja i cak iznutra ..." i da ima precnik od 230 mm govori samo jedno - u ovoj fazi malter i fugne se napijaju kondenzatom i jos uvek nije bilo dovoljno tecnosti (kondenzata) da se sve napije i probije napolje da bi ti to video. Onda kada se to bude dogodilo leka za sanaciju nece biti osim rusenja.
Sada, malo ce pomoci i verovatno ce odloziti opisani problem izolovanje dimnjaka i cunka kao i lozenje na povisenoj temperaturi.
Znam da se mnogima nece svideti sve ovo napisano ali stanje je tako i nikakva improvizacije nece ukloniti problem. Mozda i samo ponekad mogu da odloze pojavu problema, ali konacno re4senje nece moci, sigurno.

Nisam dovoljno bogat da kupujem jeftine stvari

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Tue, 26/11/2013 - 10:18
Slazem se Astrea sa tobom.
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Slazem se Astrea sa tobom. Svi znamo sta je problem kod kondezovanja kotla i dimnjaka. Ali ako idemo na toliko visoku temperaturu dimnih gasova, onda se ne slaze to sa pricom od jedog naseg clana sa foruma. A to je stepen iskoriscenja. Svi realnop pokusavaju da snize temperaturu dimnih gasova bas zbog toga. Evo vidis situacija kod mene. Meni temperatura gasova na dimnjaci ne prelazi 120C pa nemam kondezacije, ni u kotlu ni u dimnjaku. U ovom slucaju je najerovatnije problem ogrev koji se koristi. Kod FK kotlova, kada postigne temperaturu vode, on gasi turbinu i tada dolazi do drasticnog snizavanja temp gasova. I najverovatnije i tada dolazi do kondezacije i asfaltiranja dimnjaka. Noviji modeli imaju sondu temperature gasova, pa kada opadne, ventilator malo "produva"Realno, odlican dimnjak i dobar radni rezim kotla i kondezacije nema. Bilo koji od ova dva faktora da nisu ok, pojava kondezacije je skoro pa neminovna.
Moramo voditi jos racuna o jednoj stvari. Uz duzno postovanje prema autoru posta, moramo uzeti u obzir da ljdu zn

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Thu, 28/11/2013 - 05:25
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Ne, kondez i katrana kao kolach javlja se u zadnjoj komori kotla i na obodima gde se i lozi!
bilo je i u cevi tj chunku al sam to izolovao vunom...
e sad ovo se desavalo u prelaznom periodu, nisam sad proveravao kada non stop lozim...

novi je kotao, imam sondu za dimn. gasove.

i da li se drugacije setuje i lozi kotao kada npr ceo dan niko nije kuci, ili se nabuta do vrha pa neka gori...
pitam zbog ustede goriva.

hvala ljudi

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Thu, 28/11/2013 - 07:18
ne vraca mi se kondez iz
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ne vraca mi se kondez iz dimnjaka jer da je tako, ne bi mi se vratio u kotao nego bi mi cureo na spoju cunka u kotao.

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Thu, 28/11/2013 - 12:31
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meni kotao stoji na metalnoj paleti, a paleta u garazi na betonu, dal je moguce da mi hladno dolazi pod kotao, pa da mi se zato pravi kondez...
koliko vidim, od ispod nema izolacije tj vune itd...

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Thu, 28/11/2013 - 21:09
Nema to veze, mada neki
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Nema to veze, mada neki proizvodjaci savetuju da se ne vadi skroz pepeo iz kotla, nego da ostane jedno 1cm. U svakom slucaju, nije to uzrok kondezacije. Eh sada, sto se tice kondezacije, ne znam u kojoj se meri javlja...pokusavam kroz predhodne postove da utvrdim. Smola koja se javlja na zidovima peci je da kazemo normalna pojava ali zavisi u kojoj meri. To moze da se resi samo visokotemperaturnim rezimom rada. Tj da se kotao gura na 80C. Posledica je i to sto je mozda kotao predimenzionisan i nema mesni ventil na instalaciji.
Kod FK modela, postoji jedan problem, jer kada kotao postigne zadatu temperaturu gasi turbinu i tada dolazi do tinjanja vatre u kotlu, sa povremenom ventilacijom. Sobni termostat kontrolise samo rad cirkulacione pumpe, jer kada postigne npr 24C on ugasi pumpu dok temperatura ne padne.
Kondezacija je tecnost koja se javlja u kotlu i ili u dimnim kanalima (dimnjaca, dimnjak...) A katran i smola je nusprodukt sagorevanja uz nisku radnu temperaturu.
Probaj da podignes temperaturu na automatici na 75C. uz minimalno povecanje do 80. Tada bi trebalo da resis tu smolu u nekoj meri.
Da li imas mesni ventil? Ako imas, podesi ga da prema radijatorima salje neku normalniju temperaturu 50-60

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Thu, 28/11/2013 - 22:26
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ma 4 kraka mes ventil, napisao sam u prvom postu, al kada to ama malo pomerim tipa od 3 za 1 podeok, desilo mi se da temp u kotlu rokne na 95, sreca pa imam ono cudo sa sondom pa da mi ladi onom bakarnom spiralom hladnom vodom.
citao sam ovde, jos jedan clan portala je dirao taj mis pa mu na 100 ode isto fk ima

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Fri, 29/11/2013 - 00:20
pa mehanicki mesni ventil je
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pa mehanicki mesni ventil je dosta osetljiv...pomeri za par mm

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Sat, 30/11/2013 - 00:07
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oke, probacu
Hvala Grejac, reci mi samo jos model sobnog termostata koje je po tvom misljenju najkompatabilniji i nekako najbolji da uparim s ovim kotlom.

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Sat, 30/11/2013 - 19:46
Ako nadjes Autron ili
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Ako nadjes Autron ili computherm Q7

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Tue, 03/12/2013 - 23:12
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kako je poceo ovaj minus kontinuirano lozim, drzim od 65-75 popne se i do 80 (setovano na 73 ) i mogu reci da kondez u kotlu se smanjio za da kazemo da ima do 2dcl
da li je to normalno?
nego imam drugi problem sad...
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Tue, 03/12/2013 - 23:29
Ma kondezacije ne sme da ima
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Ma kondezacije ne sme da ima nikako. Sve sto se javi u kotlu, to moras da pokupis, jer ako ne pocistis tu kondezaciju, ona isparava i ponovo se vraca.

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